TREMOLO .. hab da eine Frage

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Meine "PRS Santana SEII" hat ein Tremolo. Muss nun ich die kleine Schraube (wirklich sehr klein) entfernen um den Tremolohebel anzubringen oder dient diese kleine Schraube um den Tremolohebel zu fixieren? Wozu dient den diese Schraube überhaupt?:rolleyes:

Bei meiner Pacifica habe ich dieses "Problem" nicht. Tremolohebel 'rein und gut ist :)
 
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Habe mich mal kurz auf die Homepage von PRS begeben (www.prsguitars.com) und bin da unter "Customer Support Center" auf folgende Seite gekommen: http://www.prsguitars.com/csc/bridges.html

Da wird eigentlich alles sehr gut beschrieben...hier mal ein kleiner Auszug der dich betreffen könnte:

www.prsguitars.com schrieb:
PRS Tremolo Back in 1984, Paul Reed Smith was granted a patent on his tremolo system. The design elements are simple and resemble the traditional fulcrum tremolo but with some important differences.

trem.jpg

1. In the front of a PRS bridge, the six leading edge screw holes are counter-sunk from underneath, providing six brass knife-edge fulcrums. These rest against the six notched brass body mounting screws. This knife-edge set-up ensures that the bridge will return to pitch after use.

2. The pocket in the tremolo bridge keeps the six individually adjustable saddles from moving sideways, thereby eliminating another traditional cause of tuning instability.

3. The tremolo block is drilled out so the ball ends rest right up under the bridge base plate. This leaves less string behind the bridge saddle so there is less chance of detuning, via proper string stretching.

4. There are no rough edges.

5. All adjustment screws are inset and made of brass.

6. The unthreaded tremolo arm fits into a hard plastic sleeve staying where you put it, via a small set screw on the side of the bridge that faces the tail end of the guitar (where the intonation adjustment screws are located) therefore it will not wobble or break off in the block.
Tuning and Setup Hints
If the guitar is returning sharp after using the tremolo arm, put a little lightweight machine oil under the head of each screw (do not loosen the screws). This will effectively oil the knife-edge of the tremolo.

The correct adjustment of the six brass screws, which act as a pivot and anchor the tremolo system, is level with each other so the bridge floats 1/16" off the body. These 6 screws are factory adjusted and you really should not have to adjust them at all. If it becomes necessary to adjust the 6 notched screws, make sure the guitar is detuned or you will ruin the knife-edge. Adjust the screws incrementally so the notches under the screw heads are fitted with the corresponding hole in the bridge. These holes serve as the knife-edge on which the tremolo unit rocks. Again, this is a very tricky adjustment and could ruin the knife-edge if done improperly.

The Bridge saddles should be low in the range of adjustment to keep the action low and leverage of the bridge in good working order. They should be adjusted so that the height of the string at the top of the 12th fret to the bottom of the string is 2/32".

If the tremolo bridge is not floating 1/16" off the body, remove the tremolo back plate. Adjust the claw screws about 1/4 turn at a time until the bridge floats perpendicular to and about 1/16th off the body. Tune to pitch and check, re-adjust until the bridge sits properly. When the tremolo is adjusted properly and the guitar is in tune, the tremolo arm will raise the low E string pitch to F#: no more, no less.
The intonation may be adjusted by moving the 6 phillips head screws facing the tail end of the guitar in and out with a phillips head screwdriver. Match the octave (fretted) note of all six strings with their corresponding 12th fret open harmonics by shortening or lengthening the strings with the adjusting screws.

Remember to tune and retune until the process is complete.

If you are unfamiliar with making these adjustments, we recommend that the guitar be taken to a qualified

...und aus den FAQ von der selben Homepage:

www.prsguitars.com schrieb:
25. How does the PRS Tremolo work?

Back in 1984, Paul Reed Smith was granted a patent on his tremolo system. The design elements are simple and resemble the traditional fulcrum tremolo but with some important differences.

1. In the front of a PRS bridge, the six leading edge screw holes are counter-sunk from underneath, providing six brass knife-edge fulcrums. These rest against the six notched brass body mounting screws. This knife-edge set-up ensures that the bridge will return to pitch after use.

2. The pocket in the tremolo bridge keeps the six individually adjustable saddles from moving sideways, thereby eliminating another traditional cause of tuning instability.

3. The tremolo block is drilled out so the ball ends rest right up under the bridge base plate. This leaves less string behind the bridge saddle so there is less chance of detuning, via proper string stretching.

4. There are no rough edges.

5. All adjustment screws are inset and made of brass.

6. The unthreaded tremolo arm fits into a hard plastic sleeve staying where you put it, via a small set screw on the side of the bridge that faces the tail end of the guitar (where the intonation adjustment screws are located) therefore it will not wobble or break off in the block.

Tuning/Set-up Hints for the PRS Tremolo System
If the guitar is returning sharp after using the tremolo arm, put a little lightweight machine oil under the head of each screw (do not loosen the screws). This will effectively oil the knife-edge of the tremolo.
The correct adjustment of the six brass screws, which act as a pivot and anchor the tremolo system, is level with each other so the bridge floats 1/16"; off the body. These 6 screws are factory adjusted and you really should not have to adjust them at all. If it becomes necessary to adjust the 6 notched screws, make sure the guitar is detuned or Fretboard Conditioner you will ruin the knife-edge. Adjust the screws incrementally so the notches under the screw heads are fitted with the corresponding hole in the bridge. These holes serve as the knife-edge on which the tremolo unit rocks. Again, this is a very tricky adjustment and could ruin the knife-edge if done improperly.
The Bridge saddles should be low in the range of adjustment to keep the action low and leverage of the bridge in good working order. They should be adjusted so that the height of the string at the top of the 12th fret to the bottom of the string is 2/32";.
If the tremolo bridge is not floating 1/16"; off the body, remove the tremolo back plate. Adjust the claw screws about 1/4 turn at a time until the bridge floats perpendicular to and about 1/16th off the body. Tune to pitch and check, re-adjust until the bridge sits properly. When the tremolo is adjusted properly and the guitar is in tune, the tremolo arm will raise the low E string pitch to F#: no more, no less.
The intonation may be adjusted by moving the 6 phillips head screws facing the tail end of the guitar in and out with a phillips head screwdriver. Match the octave (fretted) note of all six strings with their corresponding 12th fret open harmonics by shortening or lengthening the strings with the adjusting screws.
Remember to tune and retune until the process is complete.

If you are unfamiliar with making these adjustments, we recommend that the guitar be taken to a qualified repair center.


greetz
jazzz

//EDIT: Artikel reineditiert
 
Danke Dir. Oh je, mal sehen ob mein Englisch dafür aussreicht.
 
Hallo,

wie du siehst, habe ich per Google Bildersuche mal eine Zeichnung des Tremolos gefunden (ich gehe mal davon aus, dass du dieses meinst)
bridge2%5B1%5D.jpg

bzw. ein etwas kleines Foto, man kann das Tremolo aber gut erkennen:
prs88std-bl2.jpg


Wie du gut erkennen kannst ist z.B. beim 2. Bild ganz rechts außen ein Loch mit Gewinde - dort wird der Tremolohebel eingeschraubt. Falls eine Schraube dieses Loch abdecken sollte, müsste sie schon einige Millimeter Durchmesser haben (M6 ?)

Vielleicht hast du ja wirklich mal ein Bild (Fotohandy, Digicam) davon, damit man sieht was du meinst?


greetz
jazzz
 
Das ist es! Zumindest sieht es so aus. Wenn ich die Schraube (die kleinste Imbussschraube die ich je gesehen habe) vollkommen 'reindrehe, bekomme ich den Hebel nicht mehr hinein.
Drehe ich die Schraube 'raus, bekomme ich den Hebel hinein, drehe ich die Schraube dann ein bißchen 'rein, ist es so, als würde ich den Tremolohebel an einer Stelle fixieren. Vielleicht ist das ja so gewollt? Tremolohebel benütze ich nur als Gag/Effekt
 
Schraubst du denn die Schraube von unten hinein (quasi wenn du die Gitarre auf die Saiten legst)?

Diese Schraube ist dann tatsächlich zur Fixierung des Vibratohebels da, wie du ja auch schon selber gemerkt hast :great:


greetz
jazzz
 
Von der Seite ... also Richtung Seiten und diese Schraube berührt auf jeden Fall den Tremolehebel und dieser kann sich dann kaum nach rechts oder links bewegen. Aaaah, Jazzz Danke Dir, dann ist das so gewollt. Ich warmir so unsicher. D.h. ohne die Schraube wird der Hebel "schwabbeln" "wackeln"
 
Decado schrieb:
Von der Seite ... also Richtung Seiten und diese Schraube berührt auf jeden Fall den Tremolehebel und dieser kann sich dann kaum nach rechts oder links bewegen. Aaaah, Jazzz Danke Dir, dann ist das so gewollt. Ich warmir so unsicher. D.h. ohne die Schraube wird der Hebel "schwabbeln" "wackeln"
:great: ...dürfte hinkommen, ja.

greetz
jazzz
 

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